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In the loft space two white wires come off of the unit and enter a small white box. When you leave, keep the door open. I replaced a noisy old extraction fan in my bathroom today. Bath fans vary in design, but motor replacement requires the same basic steps, no matter which brand or model you have. Typically, this may be the case if you have lived in a house a while before cleaning your bathroom extractor fan. Extractor fans in general also help with the safety of bathroom circuits by mitigating moisture build up from steam. This lets the fan replace bad air with fresh air. Allow at least 30 minutes after you leave for the fan to completely change the air in the bathroom. I’m not sure where I would start to mimic the functionality of the program above. To adjust the time when the extractor fan turns on before shutting off automatically, you must change the setting on the control panel inside the fan's casing. Selecting a bathroom extractor fan that meets the current Building Regulations. Thes type of fans have 3 wires - 4 if it includes an earth. Turn off the electricity to your fan before cleaning it. I had an Aeotec Multisensor and you could fiddle with the poll intervals. The accumulation of dust in the fan blades is one of the most common problems that may cause the bathroom extractor fan to stop working. Turn off power to the fan. It's on a pull-cord, and comes on okay, but won't turn off at all when the light is turned off. 4 posts • Page 1 of 1. by corum_uk » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:18 pm . If it rises too fast, indicating a hot shower, then the fan turns on. It will turn off the fan after 10 minutes if it was turned on manually but only if the humidity is below a set value. I wrote something a while back that does the same thing. Mysteriously after a few days of this, it suddenly decided to respond to the on/off switch. This sounds really cool but only solves part of the problem… I have not been able to find a Z-Wave or Zigbee bad smell sensor…, Thanks - that app worked really well as a starting point for me. There are ultra-quiet options available. It must also be possible to isolate the fan by means of a pull switch inside the bathroom, or a fan isolation (3 pole) switch outside of the bathroom. I tried using the hard wired option also, but at least with that sensor the response time for motion was terrible as compared to the very inexpensive Iris sensors I picked up at Lowe’s a, I rolled my own using ESP-8266 and ST_Anything, its pretty snappy turning on, then I have min delay on turning off. As neither of us feel sufficiently competent to go excavating into the depths of the fan, it looks like we'll be going to the loo in the dark or leaving the door open and using the light outside to illuminate our activities. It still works on limited devices such as the GE Switches but not reliable on Dimmers (12xxx series). Webcore is another option, and probably your quickest solution to get up and running. I would suggest WebCoRE. There are probably a few standard rules you could use in conjunction to do this, but not 100% sure on that. Well, at least at its bare minimum. A UK bathroom must be ventilated by either a window or an extractor fan If your bathroom has a toilet only, you are fine to use a window alone as your source of ventilation In new-build bathrooms with a bath and shower, mechanical ventilation is required in the form of an extractor fan. The manual on/off was something that was someone picky (flaky) on what device it would work on. Choosing a Bathroom & Kitchen Extractor Fan. If the kitchen or bath fan shows any signs of life when you turn it on (such as humming), you know it’s receiving power. My bathroom lights turn on with motion and turn off after 5 minutes of no motion. Sorry, we can't find any related questions. © AnswerBank Ltd 2000 - 2021. Some motor plates release by pressing or prying on the side of the fan housing. Try using the search bar at the top of the page to search for some keywords, or choose a topic and submit your own question. WebCoRE is best configured in a desktop browser or larger screen. Disassemble the motor from the fan housing, which lightens the weight you have to hold over your head while you work. I bought a Manrose gold 'basic' wall mounted fan from B&Q here I installed it and away it went, trouble is, it wont stop when i turn the light off. Mine doesn’t seem to be doing that correctly. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, How do I turn off a bathroom exhaust fan when humidity is below a threshold, webCoRE Wiki - Web-enabled Community's own Rule Engine, johnathan398/SmartThingsPublic/blob/master/smartapps/john-fullman/smart-humidity-fan.src/smart-humidity-fan.groovy, [RELEASE] Humidity and Temperature Management with Scheduling (homes without HVAC/thermostats / using heaters and cooling appliances / vacation home / remote homes), Turn off after motion stops but only if humidity is below a certain threshold. Two wires (red and brown I think) exit the box unit. I would like to control my Bathroom exhaust fan to do this: Appreciate if some could point me to a solution. Hi all. The below Piston can be imported using the import code. The fan doesn't come on. The fan is on a run on timer on the body of the fan somewhere there might be a little Knob or screwdriver slot to enable the time to be turned down but if you want to turn the fan on independantly you would have to wire it through its own switch or dependant on the model of fan you might be able to wire it just when the light comes on .This type of fan will have 3 … My landlord recently changed the extractor fan and got rid of the switch that let me turn it off for the night. It can do alot more! Step 1 - Turn off the Electricity. I built the Piston in less than 2 minutes. Before you begin to work on the ceiling exhaust fan in the bathroom, turn off the fan at the circuit breaker. Google the fan's model number to get a manual to find the right part numbers to buy. Before you begin, make sure to turn off the mains power to your bathroom. This Q & A is one of thousands posted in our Technical Expertise area, and answered on a daily basis by our Voltimum Experts. It normally runs for a few minutes then switches itself off automatically but has now been running for several hours non-stop. Light “Is” on is a condition. Some bathroom extractor fans are designed to have an independent power connection and are wired so that so you can turn on the light and the fan comes on, then when you turn off the light, the fan runs for a time before stopping. It has been working great since January when I installed the sensor. It is pretty hands off as far as I am concerned. In small bathrooms, it shouldn't take long to clear the air but in larger rooms it can take between 10 and 15 minutes. I have a Silavent 354511 model extractor fan fitted in a flat (probably about 15 years old, when flats were orginally built). It comes on when the bathroom light is switched on, and continues to run for a couple of minutes after the light is switched off. If your bathroom is in an area prone to accumulating harmful air contaminants, then consider installing an extractor fan. The Wiki does an excellent job of explaining how to get it working. Lay down protective sheets. I posted on the webCoRe forum this morning for some help and am awaiting a response. Extractor Fans with an integral timer or timed switch need a 3 core and earth supply to allow the unit to run on after a light is switched off. I have found that the Zooz Multi 4-in-1 works GREAT for humidity sensing. I have been using the X-10 sensors they are not bad batteries last a couple of months, longer on less used ones, but their timing can be unpredictible, 4 of them are quite acceptable, however 2 are about 2.5 slower than they should be. Think with Triggers, something has to happen. My landlord recently changed the extractor fan and got rid of the switch that let me turn it off for the night. 1. Once a best answer has been selected, it will be shown here. The below Piston can be imported using the import code. You can also choose between automatic or self-regulating fans. This may be a bit of an overkill for what you’re looking for, it’s designed for whole home management for temperature and humidify and supports a variety of different devices you can use to control both. Hi all. Finally, it will turn off the fan no matter what after 20 minutes. This complete guide to choosing an extractor fan is an in-depth guide on extractor fans for kitchens and bathrooms to improve the airflow and ventilation in rooms which can be prone to excess moisture from cooking and showering on a regular basis. Once you’ve got that done, creating pistons with custom rules is generally a point-and-click solution. The fan is a 30 year old Silovent make. A bathroom extractor fan isn’t a luxury – it’s a must. It looks like it’s supposed to monitor the switch state and if turned on manually, it is supposed to turn off the fan after X minutes. Find your main electrical panel, circuit breaker, or fuse box, and turn off the circuit or remove the fuse that powers your bathroom. I installed webCoRe this morning, but I feel like a caveman confronted by an iPhone when just trying to control a few lights. If the door is closed, you restrict air movement and your fan works harder and longer. Does anyone use this automation? Turn off the power. ; The official wiki for webCoRE, the Web-enabled Community's own Rule Engine SmartApp. Warning: You should not continue to the following steps before turning off the bathroom fan’s electricity. If you don’t use any triggers at all then the conditions will act as triggers once all conditions are met. Most bathroom extractor fans will be triggered by the light switch when you enter the bathroom, with others triggered by humidity levels or movement. I use the bathroom frequently at night - the buzzing fully wakes me up and is really unnerving also in the evening when I want to relax, I don’t know, do a face mask, paint my nails, whatever. We have... mould around bathroom extractor fan (water trickling down extractor pipe) Started noticing mould this winter. Turn off the circuit breaker controlling the bathroom you plan to work on. Here we look at fixing bath and kitchen fans. I built the Piston in less than 2 minutes. If you think your air quality is fine, and you want to make the fan switchable again, you should be able to easily swap the outlet back out for a switch. Without turning it off, you could be electrocuted. However, review the voltage of the fan you choose to make sure that it is not too low or too high. Easier to copy and paste, move sections, select devices, etc. Is there something I’m missing? Not sure about the ZWave+ 14xxx series. Has worked like a charm for 2 years now. Which actually works out well for me because it acts like an automatic hot bath detector. No best answer has yet been selected by Whoever. I tried doing the same thing you are trying. I bought a Manrose gold 'basic' wall mounted fan from B&Q here I installed it and away it went, trouble is, it wont stop when i turn the light off. Just think your automation out and use the “If” blocks for conditions and/or triggers. Bathroom extractor fans play a critical role in reducing the levels of moisture and odour in one’s bathroom. Effective removal of muggy air takes time. Step 2 - Remove the Cover. Don't turn off the bathroom exhaust fan as you exit the bathroom after a shower. If you haven’t installed webCoRE yet, I strongly suggest that you do. Is there something I’m missing? If you add a trigger to any blocks, then you will need at least 1 trigger in all blocks. If your fan is running all the time at a high rate, it may be possible to install a motion-sensing module. I use an app on here I found called “Smart Humidity Fan” from @johnathan398 that works really well. I tried using the hard wired option also, but at least with that sensor the response time for motion was terrible as compared to the very inexpensive Iris sensors I picked up at Lowe’s a while back and the batteries last nearly a year even in high traffic areas and even longer in rooms with not as much motion. My fan usually turns on within 3 minutes of the humidity rising over the set threshold. [5] 4. builders mate - Many thanks for your explanation. Each section runs on its on because I chose “asynchonous” by clicking the “With” and then the gear to configure how the Action sections executes. When you leave your bathroom and turn the light out, your fan will also turn off unless your fan has an over-run timer function or a humidistat. It doesn't stop after 5 minutes. ... to turn the fan on, consider a model with a humidity sensor. Stop after 30 minutes, after the last motion detect. With the bathroom light switch off, I turn the fuse on from the CU. Warning: You should not continue to the following steps before turning off the bathroom fan’s electricity. Before you do any electrical stuff, shut off the power for that room at the circuit box. Question: I have a new Vent-Axia 12V bathroom extractor fan. hoping someone can set me straight. It didn’t have motion sensor trigger so I added it. Hi thanks for the response. Webcore is an option. Look at the wiring for a bathroom fan on the internet. So, I opened it up, and set the timing mechanism to the minimun of 1 min, and lo and behold it turned off after about a minute. I had an Aeotec Multisensor and you could fiddle with the poll intervals. It will turn on the fan if humidity rises above a set value. Head to your circuit breaker and flip the switch marked for the bathroom fan (or all of the bathroom switches, if there's not one specifically marked for the fan). That’s odd. The extractor fan in our windowless downstairs toilet (which is activated by switching on the light via a pull chord )refuses to switch itself off, even when the light switch is pulled again to switch the light off. Hi this video is about wiring a bathroom extractor fan , wiring fan to the three pole fan switch isolator and pull cord switch. Isolate the Circuit by taking out Fuse in Mains Box or Switch off the Circuit Breaker and open up Fan Timer and have a look. Does anyone use this automation? How to fit and install a bathroom extractor fan with or without a timer. Also UK bathrooms have traditionally not included power sockets, so it is common to not have any general purpose power circuits available in the room. For days I've had the breaker off except for when I need to use the bathroom lights. Flip the light switch on and off to test preliminarily that the circuit is off. Finally, it will turn off the fan no matter what after 20 minutes. I used webcore to make a piston: If the fan is on, and the light is changed to off, wait 45 minutes then turn the fan off. For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ. Tagging @TheSmartestHouse. I’m not a programmer, and I use it for all of my automations. If you don’t want to dive into custom code quite yet, you can also use “Humidity Alert!” in the app marketplace under Climate Control. The bigger the condensation problem, the longer the delay you set. It will turn on the fan if humidity rises above a set value. Fans with Humidistats will turn on automatically when humidity in the bathroom reaches a pre-set level and off when the humidity falls back to its preset level. This is very important, as it will keep you safe while working and prevent electrocution. Use the “Action” block for what you want to happen. All Rights Reserved. Mine doesn’t seem to be doing that correctly. But it would kill battery life. The switch is a GE Zwave+ switch. The below Piston can be imported using the import code. A centrifugal extractor fan is one that you can attach to the ceiling and most people choose to work with this. It looks like it’s supposed to monitor the switch state and if turned on manually, it is supposed to turn off the fan after X minutes. Bath fans vary in design, but motor replacement requires the same basic steps, no matter which brand or model you have. Fasten the fan housing in the opening and … Light “Changes” to on is a Trigger. Cheap or poorly-installed extractor fans can be noisy. It's built into the loo ceiling and there's no sign of any external timer, so presumably the time in somewhere inside? This is the community forum for the web-enabled Community's own Rule Engine. But it would kill battery life. Extractor fans in bathrooms are frequently powered from a lighting circuit. Consider about the rate of airflow when choosing the fan size. - If you have a timer on your fan you need to have isolation for maintenance. It doesn't stop after 8 hours. This allows the fan to run for a limited time after someone leaves the bathroom after a shower, or for some “other” reason that does not involve humidity. There is nothing in the regs to say that the light must be isolated at the same time, as the light switch already does this. Some motor plates release by pressing or prying on the side of the fan housing. You definitely don't want to be working on the fan wiring while the electricity is still running! For convenience, you can replace the standard on-off fan switch with a timer switch that turns the fan off after half an hour. The Timer is sticking or has become Faulty. Tried using the “Smart Humidity Fan” solution - but looks like I will need to replace my DHT22 its stuck at 97.1% humidity - goes from -1% to 97.1% and stays there until the bathroom is dry. It didn't respond to the on/off switch, so I changed the switch, and yet when I turned the breaker back on, the fan was still not responding to the on/off switch. Remove the cover and use a flashlight to examine the fan blades for dust and debris. Turn off the power to the fan at the main breaker panel. If I understand your post correctly, ST removed the ability for the device to monitor manual state changes for devices and then take action based on that change? One HUGE rule of thumb is to only have 1 “Trigger” per block. I turn the bathroom light on and the fan starts up. I replaced a noisy old extraction fan in my bathroom today. Finally, it will turn off the fan no matter what after 20 minutes. It will turn on the fan if humidity rises above a set value. I turn the bathroom light off and the fan continues as expected as it has a timer but it doesn't stop after 2 minutes. The switch is a GE Zwave+ switch. usually you can adjust the time delay. Place some old sheets or newspapers below the fan to catch all the built-up dirt and dust that will fall out. To clarify it is not a fan heater or extractor but just a fan as you might have on your desk. It doesn’t seem to be working with my GE switch. I’d say 90% of the time it’s within a second response time with sometimes it take a second or two to trigger the lights now. My fans are on a timer to turn off I think 20 minutes after the light goes off whether its turned of manually (which we usually do) or if its left to time out from motion (which my 8 year old mostly does). Once you get a handle on it, you will see how simple webCoRE is. Turn off the power to the fan at the main breaker panel. There is a very active and helpful community dedicated just to WebCoRE. Then unplug the fan and remove the motor plate (Photo 2). One issue is the noise extractor fans produce. I have also developed a fault in my DHT22 sensor it goes from -1 to 97.1 and back - at around 60% humidity level with no stops in between. Find your main electrical panel, circuit breaker, or fuse box, and turn off the circuit or remove the fuse that powers your bathroom. Only thing I can think of is to take down the fan fixture, disconnect the wiring, then put … Type, size and positioning of your extractor fan. It will turn off the fan after 10 minutes if it was turned on manually but only if the humidity is below a set value. Just take one of the apps available and modify it to meet your needs. Admittedly, however, I moved the functionality to WebCore. Your extractor fan is probably activated when your turn on your bathroom lights and remains on for some time after the lights are switched off. I’m not sure my humidity sensor is working out too well, since it only updates every 8 minutes. 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